Houston-Kansas City

[Gregory (Houston)]

Houston Trades:
Josh Donaldson, 3B, (14.1M 2018) to Kansas City
Jesus Aguilar, 1B, (PROSPECT) to Kansas City


Kansas City Trades:
Justin Verlander, SP, (6M 2016) to Houston
2015 FYPD 1st KC to Houston
2015 FYPD 5th KC to Houston


Astros accept. 


After running the numbers, and remembering the failed Blue Jays lineups of, well, pretty much every year, we have determined that A) We cannot afford Donaldson and B) Donaldson will probably bust anyways.   Hopefully that 1st is a top 5, as we don't really think KC has what it takes. Verlander is relatively cheap if he can make a turnaround, and he's done in 2016 if he doesn't pull it together.  

Put simply, we really can't afford Donaldson and if he gets injured/deteriorates, we win this trade big-time. We *also* believe that we have a positive ROI on Donaldson as a whole.

[Troy (Toronto)]

Ok, I've been reviewing this one...

I'll cancel out Aguilar and the 5th, as they offset each other.

For me it comes down to Justin Verlander and a 1st Round Pick for 3B Josh Donaldson.

I do not think that this trade is remotely close. Verlander is a 32 year old pitcher who has lost significant velocity on his fastball, had an ERA near 5.00, gave up almost 10H/9, didn't even K 7batters/9IP, had a 1.4 WHIP...see what I'm getting at, in my opinion, he is done, and this is what we will see from now on. A very mediocre SP who will struggle to perform much better than a #4.

Now along with Verlander, a 2015 1st rounder FYPD is included. A valuable commodity. I do not value this pick as a top 5 pick or whatever, because I don't know what it will be, nobody does. I just consider it a middle of the pack pick, because that's all you can really do, value wise. The pick will proably bring you a prospect in the 50-100 range of top prospects.

So, in my opinion, I think Josh Donaldson (Top 5 fantasy 3B, .255/.342/.456 - 29 HR, 98 RBI, 8 SB) - now playing 82 games in the Rogers Center, instead of Oakland's big ballpark, requires significantly more value than a mediocre at best SP, and a pick. I do not foresee him "busting".



Keep in mind that this is what Houston gave up for Donaldson. (Albeit an overpay)

Patrick Corbin, SP, (6M 2017) to Dallas
Bartolo Colon, SP, (1M 2015) to Dallas
Archie Bradley, SP, (PROSPECT) to Dallas
Braden Shipley, SP, (PROSPECT) to Dallas

Veto.

[Dylan (Philly)]

Approve. While I do believe that HOU overpayed for Donaldson to begin with this trade is fairly close to Donaldsons actual value.

[Jeremy (Minnesota)]

I agree with Troy, veto

[Daniel (Denver)]

I don't think there is any real question that this trade is unbalanced and Donaldson's true market value is significantly higher than it reflects. If trades must be fair or balanced to be approved, I would certainly veto this one.

However, I think my function is more limited. In short, I think trades should be approved unless they are contrary to the league's fundamental need for competitive balance.

In this case, HOU did not receive enough value for Donaldson but remains a competitive franchise. On the other hand, KC gets a windfall return on an aging pitcher but remains a team with significant flaws that render it unable to dominate its competitors. Therefore, this trade is not contrary to the league's general interest in competitive balance.

Approve.

[Troy (Toronto)]

Mar 14, 2015 3:48:42 GMT @tom said:

I am looking at the comments made by Troy on the Hou/KC trade. I just want to make the point that what Hou traded to get Donaldson should have no bearing on this trade. So no you should not keep that in mind. What you do need to keep in mind and what is not mentioned is the cap difference. Hou is freeing up over 8M in cap space.. That is a value that needs to also be evaluated. So I would ask Troy and Minny to consider the trade on its own merits, with all the relevant factors being weighed before vetoing in the future.

I did not consider the previous trade as a major factor in my decision.

[Matt (Chicago)]

I veto...aguilar and the 5th pretty much cancel each other out. While the first might be nice...I think donaldson is worth more than a 32 year old pitcher who has declined every year.

[Vik (Seattle)]

Approve.

I actually like Verlander's shots at a bounce back year, since this is the first completely healthy off season he has had in a while. And if you take into account the salary cap opened up by dumping Donaldson for Verlander, this is fine. Also, I like the FYPD 5 more than Aguillar, and I think a lot of people are undervaluing FYPD picks. An FYPD 1st is HUGE, you can get a top talent like a Carlos Rodon or Kyle Schwarber. An FYPD 1st (mid round), is equivalant to about a 5th Round Start up MiLB Draft pick -- which is huge. Kansas City does win by a bit, but this isn't veto worthy for me.